Inline Frames

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Inline Frames

Message par brainstuff »

Bonjour,

Il semble que les developpers de Kompozer n'aiment pas les inline frames .... mais, moi je les aime, assez, un peu,...

Que puisse je faire pour gérer des inline frames avec kompozer ... ou comment je peux les remplacer.

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Message par Ymai »

Bonjour
Je pense qu'un bon résumé des raisons de bouder les "frames" peut se trouver là:
http://www.openweb.eu.org/articles/finir_cadres (et encore ailleurs)
Une meilleure solution, utilisant KompoZer, est développée là:
http://josar.free.fr/tutoKompozer/miseEnForme2.html
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Message par brainstuff »

Merci Ymai, pour les liens.

Je vais avoir quelques jours pour les analyser complètement.

Au 1er vu les arguments contre les frames ne me convainquent pas vraiment. ça ressemble un peu à ma conviction que tout le monde devrait acheter que des voitures ultra pratiques. Ceci dit, les inline frames, utilisés, comme je les utilisé, ne sont pas vraiment idiots. Je les utilise uniquement pour du contenu "design" ou "du contenu qui se modifié". Donc pas pour du contenu qui affecte vraiment le coté utile de la page.

Donc, en conséquence, je pense qu'il serait peut-être une bonne idée que les concepteurs de Kompozer (et d'autres logiciels) cessent de vouloir imposer leurs idées et convictions pour limiter les possibilités: l'utilisateur du logiciel devrait être considéré comme quelqu'un de mature, qui décide lui même sur l'utilité d'un "feature".

Ceci dit, je voudrais finir l'année 2009 avec le souhait que, nous, les Informaticiens cessent de vouloir imposer tout le temps leurs idées et convictions. Un exemple de la folie de vouloir tout imposer est un formulaire sur un site anglaise que j'ai vu dernièrement: le concepteur a mis en place un "contrôle", pour vérifier si le texte entrée ne comporte que des caractères anglaises. Son programme est tellement bien foutu que même la phrase "I love you" ne passe pas!

Bonne année,
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Message par Ymai »

Bonjour
brainstuff a écrit :Donc, en conséquence, je pense qu'il serait peut-être une bonne idée que les concepteurs de Kompozer (et d'autres logiciels) cessent de vouloir imposer leurs idées et convictions pour limiter les possibilités: l'utilisateur du logiciel devrait être considéré comme quelqu'un de mature, qui décide lui même sur l'utilité d'un "feature".
Bah, ce n'est pas tant le concepteur de KompoZer (ni même celui de NVU -et pourtant, lui...) qui veut jouer au dictateur. Qu'il nous détrompe, le cas échéant.
Mais c'est plutôt le W3C qui décourage -sans l'interdire- l'emploi des "frames":
http://www.la-grange.net/w3c/WAI-WEBCON ... HS/#frames
Pourquoi alors implémenter à grands coups de dizaines d'heures de travail une fonctionnalité aisément contournable et qui ne fait pas l'unanimité?

Encore un peu de lecture? Les soirées sont longues... :D
http://forum.alsacreations.com/topic.ph ... &p=1#p4684 (mais le début date de 2004; ce qui ne nous rajeunit pas).

Ceci dit, il reste tout à fait possible d'utiliser KompoZer pour un site web comprenant des "frames". Un éditeur de textes tout simple façonne la page type contenant les différentes "frames" et KompoZer s'occupe des fichiers HTML inclus.
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Message par Fabrice.Tres.Net »

Rapidos,

Je ne crois qu'un outil comme Kompozer ait pour but de couvrir 100% des possibilités, il doit avant tout subvenir aux besoins essentiels sachant que les cas spécifiques ont une rentabilité faible, et correspondent normalement à des utilisateurs déjà avertis qui devraient être compétent pour utiliser des outils + pointus ou de simples éditeurs.
Dernière modification par Fabrice.Tres.Net le 28 déc. 2009, 15:39, modifié 1 fois.
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Message par brainstuff »

@Ymai ... word2003 faisait les frames, mais je ne me souviens pas si ça faisait aussi les inline frames. Mais je n'ai plus de Word 2003 ou de 2007. Word 2010 semble plus avoir la possibilité de mettre des frames et je ne pense pas que c'est vraiment le but de Word de traiter du html. (Word 2010 est d'ailleurs un très bon logiciel... OO doit se faire du soucis! ... et, ça vient de moi, je ne suis pas un ami de MS, loin de ça ... un jour avant la sortie de Vista, j'ai essayé de convaincre un responsable de MS de mettre Vista à la poubelle! .... )

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Message par Ymai »

brainstuff a écrit : Word 2010 semble plus avoir la possibilité de mettre des frames
J'aimerais voir un bout de code HTML produit par une de ces nouvelles versions de Word.
KompoZer est connu (et conçu) pour produire du code "propre" et conforme aux normes du W3C.
Tout ce que j'ai vu -jusqu'à ce jour- du code produit par Word, c'est un horrible maelström de balises tout à fait indigeste. Peut-être est-ce mieux maintenant?
Sinon, il existe des outils pour nettoyer le code de Word:
http://www.google.be/search?q=nettoyer+code+HTML+word

Après, chacun fait sa vie comme il le sent. :D
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Message par brainstuff »

Ymai, si tu veux je te fais demain une page test html avec mon word 2010 .. mais il me faut une adresse email ou je puisse l'envoyer.

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Message par Ymai »

brainstuff a écrit :Ymai, si tu veux je te fais demain une page test html avec mon word 2010 .. mais il me faut une adresse email ou je puisse l'envoyer.

John
Merci pour cette proposition.
Le mieux serait encore de poster quelques lignes de code (une page HTML avec un titre et un paragraphe suffirait) ici-même.
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Message par chinon37 »

pour le fun et Ymai:

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class=SpellE>dolor</span> <span class=SpellE>sit</span> <span class=SpellE>amet</span>,

<span class=SpellE>consectetur</span>, <span class=SpellE>adipisci</span> <span
class=SpellE>velit</span>..."<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
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10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";
mso-ansi-language:EN-US;mso-fareast-language:FR'>"There is no one who
loves pain itself, who seeks after it and wants to have it, simply because it
is pain..."<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
line-height:normal;mso-outline-level:2'><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:
18.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";
mso-ansi-language:EN-US;mso-fareast-language:FR'>What is <span class=SpellE>Lorem</span>
<span class=SpellE>Ipsum</span>?<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
line-height:normal'><span class=SpellE><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";
mso-ansi-language:EN-US;mso-fareast-language:FR'>Lorem</span></b></span><b><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";
mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-ansi-language:EN-US;mso-fareast-language:
FR'> <span class=SpellE>Ipsum</span></span></b><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";mso-fareast-font-family:
"Times New Roman";mso-ansi-language:EN-US;mso-fareast-language:FR'> is simply
dummy text of the printing and typesetting industry. <span class=SpellE>Lorem</span>
<span class=SpellE>Ipsum</span> has been the industry's standard dummy text
ever since the 1500s, when an unknown printer took a galley of type and
scrambled it to make a type specimen book. It has survived not only five
centuries, but also the leap into electronic typesetting, remaining essentially
unchanged. It was <span class=SpellE>popularised</span> in the 1960s with the
release of <span class=SpellE>Letraset</span> sheets containing <span
class=SpellE>Lorem</span> <span class=SpellE>Ipsum</span> passages, and more
recently with desktop publishing software like Aldus PageMaker including
versions of <span class=SpellE>Lorem</span> <span class=SpellE>Ipsum</span>.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
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18.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";
mso-ansi-language:EN-US;mso-fareast-language:FR'>Why do we use it?<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
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mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-ansi-language:EN-US;mso-fareast-language:
FR'>It is a long established fact that a reader will be distracted by the
readable content of a page when looking at its layout. The point of using <span
class=SpellE>Lorem</span> <span class=SpellE>Ipsum</span> is that it has a
more-or-less normal distribution of letters, as opposed to using 'Content here,
content here', making it look like readable English. Many desktop publishing
packages and web page editors now use <span class=SpellE>Lorem</span> <span
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class=SpellE>lorem</span> <span class=SpellE>ipsum</span>' will uncover many
web sites still in their infancy. Various versions have evolved over the years,
sometimes by accident, sometimes on purpose (injected <span class=SpellE>humour</span>

and the like).<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:
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mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-ansi-language:EN-US;mso-fareast-language:
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
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18.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";
mso-ansi-language:EN-US;mso-fareast-language:FR'>Where does it come from?<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
line-height:normal'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";
mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-ansi-language:EN-US;mso-fareast-language:
FR'>Contrary to popular belief, <span class=SpellE>Lorem</span> <span
class=SpellE>Ipsum</span> is not simply random text. It has roots in a piece of
classical Latin literature from 45 BC, making it over 2000 years old. Richard
McClintock, a Latin professor at Hampden-Sydney College in Virginia, looked up
one of the more obscure Latin words, <span class=SpellE>consectetur</span>,
from a <span class=SpellE>Lorem</span> <span class=SpellE>Ipsum</span> passage,
and going through the cites of the word in classical literature, discovered the

<span class=SpellE>undoubtable</span> source. <span class=SpellE>Lorem</span> <span
class=SpellE>Ipsum</span> comes from sections 1.10.32 and 1.10.33 of "de <span
class=SpellE>Finibus</span> <span class=SpellE>Bonorum</span> <span
class=GramE>et</span> <span class=SpellE>Malorum</span>" (The Extremes of
Good and Evil) by Cicero, written in 45 BC. This book is a treatise on the
theory of ethics, very popular during the Renaissance. The first line of <span
class=SpellE>Lorem</span> <span class=SpellE>Ipsum</span>, "<span
class=SpellE>Lorem</span> <span class=SpellE>ipsum</span> dolor sit <span
class=SpellE>amet</span><span class=GramE>.."</span>, comes from a line in
section 1.10.32.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
line-height:normal'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";
mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-ansi-language:EN-US;mso-fareast-language:
FR'>The standard chunk of <span class=SpellE>Lorem</span> <span class=SpellE>Ipsum</span>
used since the 1500s is reproduced below for those interested. Sections 1.10.32
and 1.10.33 from "de <span class=SpellE>Finibus</span> <span class=SpellE>Bonorum</span>
<span class=GramE>et</span> <span class=SpellE>Malorum</span>" by Cicero
are also reproduced in their exact original form, accompanied by English
versions from the 1914 translation by H. Rackham.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
line-height:normal;mso-outline-level:2'><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:
18.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";
mso-ansi-language:EN-US;mso-fareast-language:FR'>Where can I get some?<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
line-height:normal'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";
mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-ansi-language:EN-US;mso-fareast-language:
FR'>There are many variations of passages of <span class=SpellE>Lorem</span> <span
class=SpellE>Ipsum</span> available, but the majority have suffered alteration
in some form, by injected <span class=SpellE>humour</span>, or <span
class=SpellE>randomised</span> words which don't look even slightly believable.
If you are going to use a passage of <span class=SpellE>Lorem</span> <span
class=SpellE>Ipsum</span>, you need to be sure there isn't anything
embarrassing hidden in the middle of text. All the <span class=SpellE>Lorem</span>

<span class=SpellE>Ipsum</span> generators on the Internet tend to repeat
predefined chunks as necessary, making this the first true generator on the
Internet. It uses a dictionary of over 200 Latin words, combined with a handful
of model sentence structures, to generate <span class=SpellE>Lorem</span> <span
class=SpellE>Ipsum</span> which looks reasonable. The generated <span
class=SpellE>Lorem</span> <span class=SpellE>Ipsum</span> is therefore always
free from repetition, injected <span class=SpellE>humour</span>, or
non-characteristic words etc.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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Ymai, attention à ne pas t'étouffer :D :lol:
679 lignes, pas de doctype, etc...
Avec KpZ, en 100 lignes, on devrait s'en sortir.
et je ne parle pas des fichiers annexes générés par word: 4 .xml et un .thmx??
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Re: Inline Frames

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chinon37 a écrit :Avec KpZ, en 100 lignes, on devrait s'en sortir.
et je ne parle pas des fichiers annexes générés par word: 4 .xml et un .thmx??

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<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd">
<html><head>
  <title></title>
</head><body>
<div>
<br><b>"Neque porro quisquam est qui dolorem ipsum quia dolor sit amet,
consectetur, adipisci velit..."</b>

<br><b>"There is no one who
loves pain itself, who seeks after it and wants to have it, simply because it
is pain..."</b>
<br><b>What is Lorem
Ipsum?</b>
<br><b>Lorem</b><b> Ipsum</b> is simply
dummy text of the printing and typesetting industry. Lorem
Ipsum has been the industry's standard dummy text
ever since the 1500s, when an unknown printer took a galley of type and
scrambled it to make a type specimen book. It has survived not only five
centuries, but also the leap into electronic typesetting, remaining essentially
unchanged. It was popularised in the 1960s with the
release of Letraset sheets containing Lorem Ipsum passages, and more
recently with desktop publishing software like Aldus PageMaker including
versions of Lorem Ipsum.
<br><b>Why do we use it?</b>
<br>It is a long established fact that a reader will be distracted by the
readable content of a page when looking at its layout. The point of using Lorem Ipsum is that it has a
more-or-less normal distribution of letters, as opposed to using 'Content here,
content here', making it look like readable English. Many desktop publishing
packages and web page editors now use Lorem Ipsum as their default model text, and a search for 'lorem ipsum' will uncover many
web sites still in their infancy. Various versions have evolved over the years,
sometimes by accident, sometimes on purpose (injected humour
and the like).
<br> 
<br><b>Where does it come from?</b>
<br>Contrary to popular belief, Lorem Ipsum is not simply random text.
It has roots in a piece of
classical Latin literature from 45 BC, making it over 2000 years old.
Richard
McClintock, a Latin professor at Hampden-Sydney College in Virginia,
looked up
one of the more obscure Latin words, consectetur,
from a Lorem Ipsum passage,
and going through the cites of the word in classical literature,
discovered the
undoubtable source. Lorem Ipsum comes from sections 1.10.32 and 1.10.33
of "de Finibus Bonorum et Malorum" (The Extremes of
Good and Evil) by Cicero, written in 45 BC. This book is a treatise on
the
theory of ethics, very popular during the Renaissance. The first line
of Lorem Ipsum, "Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet..", comes from a line in
section 1.10.32.
<br>The standard chunk of Lorem Ipsum
used since the 1500s is reproduced below for those interested. Sections 1.10.32
and 1.10.33 from "de Finibus Bonorum
et Malorum" by Cicero
are also reproduced in their exact original form, accompanied by English
versions from the 1914 translation by H. Rackham.

<br><b>Where can I get some?</b>
<br>There are many variations of passages of Lorem Ipsum available, but the majority have suffered alteration
in some form, by injected humour, or randomised words which don't look even slightly believable.
If you are going to use a passage of Lorem Ipsum, you need to be sure there isn't anything
embarrassing hidden in the middle of text. All the Lorem
Ipsum generators on the Internet tend to repeat
predefined chunks as necessary, making this the first true generator on the
Internet. It uses a dictionary of over 200 Latin words, combined with a handful
of model sentence structures, to generate Lorem Ipsum which looks reasonable. The generated Lorem Ipsum is therefore always
free from repetition, injected humour, or
non-characteristic words etc.
<br> 
</div>
</body></html>
Raté: 70 lignes...
Nettoyé par http://www.algotech.dk/word-html-cleaner-input.htm et passé par la moulinette de KpZ 0.8
J'ai viré manuellement les liens vers les fichiers .xml de l'entête.

Il faudra attendre la version suivante de Word pour avoir du code HTML potable.

Ooo est un peu moins bon que KompoZer: 73 lignes mais un peu d'optimisation dans la présentation du texte:

Code : Tout sélectionner

<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
<HTML>
<HEAD>
	<META HTTP-EQUIV="CONTENT-TYPE" CONTENT="text/html; charset=utf-8">
	<TITLE></TITLE>
	<META NAME="GENERATOR" CONTENT="OpenOffice.org 3.0  (Linux)">
	<META NAME="AUTHOR" CONTENT="Ymai">
	<META NAME="CREATED" CONTENT="20091228;18143600">
	<META NAME="CHANGEDBY" CONTENT="Ymai">
	<META NAME="CHANGED" CONTENT="20091228;18152100">
	<STYLE TYPE="text/css">
	<!--
		@page { margin: 2cm }
		P { margin-bottom: 0.21cm }
	-->
	</STYLE>
</HEAD>
<BODY LANG="fr-BE" DIR="LTR">
<P STYLE="margin-bottom: 0cm"><B>"Neque porro quisquam est qui
dolorem ipsum quia dolor sit amet, consectetur, adipisci velit..."</B>
<BR><B>"There is no one who loves pain itself, who seeks after
it and wants to have it, simply because it is pain..."</B> <BR><B>What
is Lorem Ipsum?</B> <BR><B>Lorem</B> <B>Ipsum</B> is simply dummy
text of the printing and typesetting industry. Lorem Ipsum has been
the industry's standard dummy text ever since the 1500s, when an
unknown printer took a galley of type and scrambled it to make a type
specimen book. It has survived not only five centuries, but also the
leap into electronic typesetting, remaining essentially unchanged. It
was popularised in the 1960s with the release of Letraset sheets
containing Lorem Ipsum passages, and more recently with desktop
publishing software like Aldus PageMaker including versions of Lorem
Ipsum. <BR><B>Why do we use it?</B> <BR>It is a long established fact
that a reader will be distracted by the readable content of a page
when looking at its layout. The point of using Lorem Ipsum is that it
has a more-or-less normal distribution of letters, as opposed to
using 'Content here, content here', making it look like readable
English. Many desktop publishing packages and web page editors now
use Lorem Ipsum as their default model text, and a search for 'lorem
ipsum' will uncover many web sites still in their infancy. Various
versions have evolved over the years, sometimes by accident,
sometimes on purpose (injected humour and the like). <BR><BR><B>Where
does it come from?</B> <BR>Contrary to popular belief, Lorem Ipsum is
not simply random text. It has roots in a piece of classical Latin
literature from 45 BC, making it over 2000 years old. Richard
McClintock, a Latin professor at Hampden-Sydney College in Virginia,
looked up one of the more obscure Latin words, consectetur, from a
Lorem Ipsum passage, and going through the cites of the word in
classical literature, discovered the undoubtable source. Lorem Ipsum
comes from sections 1.10.32 and 1.10.33 of "de Finibus Bonorum
et Malorum" (The Extremes of Good and Evil) by Cicero, written
in 45 BC. This book is a treatise on the theory of ethics, very
popular during the Renaissance. The first line of Lorem Ipsum, "Lorem
ipsum dolor sit amet..", comes from a line in section 1.10.32.
<BR>The standard chunk of Lorem Ipsum used since the 1500s is
reproduced below for those interested. Sections 1.10.32 and 1.10.33
from "de Finibus Bonorum et Malorum" by Cicero are also
reproduced in their exact original form, accompanied by English
versions from the 1914 translation by H. Rackham. <BR><B>Where can I
get some?</B> <BR>There are many variations of passages of Lorem
Ipsum available, but the majority have suffered alteration in some
form, by injected humour, or randomised words which don't look even
slightly believable. If you are going to use a passage of Lorem
Ipsum, you need to be sure there isn't anything embarrassing hidden
in the middle of text. All the Lorem Ipsum generators on the Internet
tend to repeat predefined chunks as necessary, making this the first
true generator on the Internet. It uses a dictionary of over 200
Latin words, combined with a handful of model sentence structures, to
generate Lorem Ipsum which looks reasonable. The generated Lorem
Ipsum is therefore always free from repetition, injected humour, or
non-characteristic words etc. 
</P>
</BODY>
</HTML>
ymai
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Re: Inline Frames

Message par chinon37 »

Ymai a écrit :
chinon37 a écrit :Avec KpZ, en 100 lignes, on devrait s'en sortir.
Raté: 70 lignes...
Ok, je m'incline :oops: :roll: :lol:

Ooo: 73 lignes, ok, mais avec des balises méta, c'est tout de même honorable, non?
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Re: Inline Frames

Message par Zefling »

Je dois me farcir de document word à copier dans un CMS et l'éditeur en ligne pleure, je suis obliger de passer par KompoZer pour éviter qu'il fasse n'importe quoi. Il n'y a qu'à voir le nombre de balise Made in Ms rajouté même pas Ms Office 2007. En tout cas, à voir ce que donne OOo je pense que les .doc vont maintenant passer par lui. ;) Ms et le web, ça semble toujours faire deux.

En tout cas, j'en reviens toujours pas qu'il y ait toujours pour faire des mise en pages de site avec Word. Le coup des frames dans un traitement de texte... (mort de rires)
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Re: Inline Frames

Message par brainstuff »

Ca c'est une comparaison des fichiers de kompozer, oo and word2010:

R‚pertoire de c:\! tech support\! bugs\kompozer

28.12.2009 22:24 <REP> .
28.12.2009 22:24 0 dirfile.txt
28.12.2009 21:51 532 test kompozer.html
28.12.2009 22:13 918 test oo.html
28.12.2009 22:22 24'548 test word 2010.htm
28.12.2009 21:48 <REP> test word 2010_fichiers
4 fichier(s) 25'998 octets

R‚pertoire de c:\! tech support\! bugs\kompozer\test word 2010_fichiers

28.12.2009 21:48 <REP> ..
28.12.2009 21:48 314 colorschememapping.xml
28.12.2009 21:48 251 filelist.xml
28.12.2009 21:48 34'712 image001.jpg
28.12.2009 21:48 3'213 themedata.thmx
4 fichier(s) 38'490 octets



Donc 532o pour test kompozer.html
918o pour test oo.html
et 24'548o pour test word 2010.htm plus les 4 fichiers que Word2010 fabrique en plus.

Au temps du McIntox et de l'Internet à 100bytes/heure, ça aurait été extrêmement intéressant et même décisif. :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: Mais je constate que Word a quand même une petite avantage: il suffit de copier tout sur le serveur et ça marché!!! oui,oui,oui !!!! :lol: :lol: . Chez kompozer et oo, ce n'est pas le cas ... ok, vous pouvez maintenant me traiter de "bourbine" et prétendre que je n'ai pas subi l'excellente influence des français ... et qu'il est très simple de copier l'image dans le bon répertoire .... :lol: :lol: et que près de 30'000 au lieu de 532 est un peu beaucoup ....

Vous trouvez mes pages test sur http://pxoxd.com/bugs/kompozer

bon anée à vous,
John (brainstuff)
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Re: Inline Frames

Message par Fabrice.Tres.Net »

Il n'y a rien à comparer, le code fournit par word est désastreux... A BANNIR ABSOLUMENT.
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